I really was not going to post about the "Holocaust Denial" conference. It is just all over the press and all over the media and most of it is clear thought out and certainly in the realm of sanity that I assumed that the idiotic "Holocaust Deniers" conference taking place in the country of intellectual giants and an example for free thinking countries and people all over the world - Iran - would be enough.
Assumption is the mother of all mistakes. Makes fools out of a lot of us. A couple of little tidbits passed my computer screen yesterday which raised eyebrows both in a good and a bad way. Indeed, one which I will discuss below in its implication scared the living daylights out of me. But let us go step by step here.
Ahmadinejad called a conference. People came. They got together in the lovely almost nuclear country of Iran and patted each other on the back for their courage and sanity in declaring to the world that the Holocaust never took place or that it was an invention of the Zionist propaganda machine. This in and of itself would not be news. Even the pathetic attempt to separate Holocaust denial and Antisemitism would not have been news. And even the need to express the need to destroy the State of Israel and kill every Jew inside of it would not be news. What is news is the way some people choose to interpret such lunacy.
First off, readers of The View From Jerusalem, know that I have posted before a few specific posts about the Holocaust and its implications.
- Privacy Of Surviovors Or Protection of Nazis?
- Weaving The Filigree For The Crown Of God...
- My Grandparents Went To Auschwitz...
"Along with, I imagine, every other left-wing Zionist who's ever been appalled at the way Israeli and Diaspora Jewish leaders exploit the Holocaust, I would have been filled with joy if a bolt of lightning had struck that conference in Teheran and killed everybody inside, starting with Ahmadinejad.In another excellent editorial in Haaretz Daily Paper (yes, today I am picking the "left" but don't read into that too much!) entitled: Iran grows strong, the world yawns, we read:
With the exception of the collaborators from Natorei Karta, those people are modern-day Nazis. They want for the Jews what Hitler wanted."
It is possible to make fun of the conference of Holocaust deniers in Tehran, as the historian Prof. Moshe Zimmerman proposes. It is also possible to view this reaction as yet another symptom of the Chronic Fatigue Syndrome that has afflicted the West in the face of rising Islamic extremism. As long as the Arab world was united against Zionist Israel and its policies toward the Palestinians, it was possible to hope this hatred would disappear once the local conflict had been resolved. But the conference in Tehran is another sign that anti-Israel sentiment has long since turned into open anti-Semitism.I am sure if you follow the media in the major countries of the world similar editorials and reports have appeared.
The repeated calls for Israel's eradication that emanate from Iran, to which even the reactions of disgust have grown weaker over time, should - especially when accompanied by nuclear weapons, but even without them - have generated an active and effective worldwide front. Instead, we are gradually seeing the problem become Israel's problem alone.
One specific thing is clear. This is not a "pure" historical debate. This is not an intellectual discussion on the Holocaust. This is simply just another set of Emperor's Clothes for the disease of Antisemitism, anti-Israel rhetoric and the desire to rid the world of Israel and the Jews.
But then again this is not news. There are sick people all over and certainly Ahmadinejad seems to be aspiring for a seat next to Hitler and Nazi Germany in the annals of history.
So be it.
But it does get scary, not when the insane, psychopathic leaders of some countries decide to announce their intentions, and not when some 50-60 severely deranged humans decide to join him - it gets scary when the little cockroaches of this world decide to come out and play as well. It gets scary when the "little people" couch their arguments in terms of free speech and being divorced from history and "the banality of evil" as Hannah Arendt put it, decide to try and influence others. These little cockroaches are often a point of amusement for me. But once in a while they attempt to rear their ugly heads because...well because they are deranged and eaten up inside with hatred.
What is dangerous is when they attempt to mask their Antisemitism or desire to see Jews mass-murdered or even their inner need to fight without any objectivity for any other cause that does not concern them nor effect them in any way - simply because it is yet another way to get at the Jews.
Paranoia on my part? Over-simplification? Reading words all wrong?
Well you decide.
In a few posts in The View From Jerusalem I have discussed some 3-6 people who seem to aggregate at a writers forum called Absolute Write. (Please see: The Great Board Game Of Risk & Hatred Spreads Like A Cancer & A Nation State? State Of The Nation? - I Give Up...). I often discuss them and their sick hatred simply because they serve as a window to the minds of those who attempt to place "hatred" in intellectual terms with excuses to boot. You can find people like this everywhere. They were there when WWII was over and lived in the towns near the concentration camps and swore that they never knew what was going on. They fight for the perceived "Underdog". They are neither left nor right. Their views are determined not by justice but by hatred. It leads them by the nose and causes everything they say or do to be tainted by that hatred.
That is why I sometimes use these posters on a Writer's forum as examples. To remind us that cockroaches are always there hiding in the pipes.
Upon happening upon a thread over at Absolute Write entitled: A troubling issue with freedom of speech, I immediately knew it was time for hatred to rear its ugly head. In a very well presented argument the original poster wanted to say that it should not be against the law to deny the Holocaust (in the European countries where it is) for this smacks of thought and speech control. And you know what? I agree. Let me bold that: I agree.
Only one problem. These people are applying their American "mentality" and thoughts on what democracy is to another society which does not believe in nor uphold their views. A different historical perspective as it were. But be that as it may I agree with the fact that fee speech should be free speech.
And as they say that should have been that. But of course, even if everyone agrees, how could that end it without Israel and Jews coming up? I mean...hey...come on...lets get mileage out of this one.
And then my eye caught a post (took this time till page 55 posts to get there) which has to be the scariest thing I have ever seen posted on a forum board. And this in all seriousness.
A poster made the point:
Crazy shit is easy to ignore, but a systematic approach that is geared towards the alienation of a certain group of people from the rest of society should not be ignored.And then the original person who started the thread, and is certainly, in many people's minds at AW a rabid anti-semite, had this little genius ditty:
But to what end? You are assuming that there will be a systematic repudiation of I assume, Jewish people in Europe? But, again, I ask you: to what end? What is the motivation? We're not in the 1930's anymore, [name].You do dear people, see the implication here. You do realize that the implication is as follows:
- If there is no motivation and no purpose then no one would conceive of trying to wipe out the Jewish people. (That could never and never has happened of course. Ahmadinejad has an end and a motivation so let us go to #2)
- And if there is a purpose and and a motivation - then it would be legitimate to discuss and weigh the motivation and purpose vis-a-vis the desired results, being, wiping out the Jewish people.
- And we have progressed so much since the 1930's that mankind cannot even conceive of another holocaust or war.
Oh but there is more.
You didn't think that this old boys club of the same 3-6 people always slapping each other on the back for their "intelligence" and "wittiness" and their knowledge of Wikipedia would stop there did you? This people is a window into sick minds - remember that. Minds which have so much hatred and so much blackness that it is difficult to comprehend. So let us just go a bit further.
You see there has always been speculation behind the scenes why such behavior is presented. Who are these 3-6 people in real life? Why are they on a writer's board where they have never published nor will ever publish a thing? What motivates them? Some have presented fantasy ideas about them. But why? All you have to do is wait a bit and see how Freedom of Speech goes to the validity of Holocaust denial and Holocausts to Israel and Palestine. It is a fairly normative progression is it not? And yet it can only be a normative progression if it is the "Jews" who invade your thoughts. If you are really torn by your hatred of Israel and Jews.
So here is the official answer in the same thread as to why the Israelis are horrific:
Almost two years ago, it was brought to my attention that my home - the one that I built myself - was going to be take from me so that a private developer named [name] could build a toll road to [name]. Now, the "developer" was clever; the company refused to disclose the actual location, thus driving the housing market in the effected counties down to nothing. I was going to be told to essentially give my home away.In other words folks, this guy got taken in a land deal and lost money, so now the Israelis have to pay. You see it is Israel who "stole" land. It is not the Palestinians. No Jew or Israeli has a claim to any land. That is a given. Period. Did you see any mention of Jews being compensated for all the land and real estate stolen from them in Europe? Did you see a hint of an idea that Jews in the Old City of Jerusalem lost all their land and real estate and were murdered in the riots of 1929? Stolen from them. Of course you didn't!
You have no idea what kind of anger that is.
And I damn well know what kind of anger that is. I damn well know a hell out of a lot better than some real estate deal gone bust, just what one looses when some Nazis come along make most of my family into soap, take their gold fillings and steal all their land.
Here is a further ditty from this giant intellect of the skies (bold is mine):
If the Palestinian people are compensated, if they agree to that compensation; if Palestine becomes the new Egypt with Alexandria as its capitol if you will. . . .I will expect Israel to be left in peace. Absolutely. And I will vigorously defend her and access to Jerusalem - which apparently is a symbol of something to many cultures - if the Palestinians are compensated. Period.This is the kicker folks. Here the Jews and the Israelis are expected once again to rely on the magnanimous kindness of people like this. "I will expect" "I will vigorously defend" ... Does any one see a hint of megalomania here? Does anyone realize just what the hell is really being said here? Can you dig it? Somewhere in this deranged mind there is only the Palestinians. Jews and Israelis are something belonging to once again - the justice of such people. And of course, such deep understanding of whatever the hell this guy calls "radical Islam" - is only due to the Jew and the State of Israel. Radical Islam has nothing to do with the US or free Christian countries. It has nothing to do with the"infidel". This is "intellectual thought" par-excellance.
But a wrong has to be acknowledged and righted. I submit, we pull the rug out from under radical Islam if the people of Palestine are duly compensated. You've heard it before.
And the horrors done to the Jewish people, in a thread discussing the freedom of speech for Holocaust denial...are you missing the insidious tendrils of hate and prejudice here?
Now here is the real finale. Keep in mind all these posts are by the same person. The same "intelligent" individual who pleads with us, as you will see in a moment to accept and pay attention to his views.
Now, I have come to mistrust the inflammatory rhetoric of certain politicians, particularly our president, as I have come to dismiss the supposed broad, simmering European anti-semitism. There is some, no doubt, but miniscule in comparison to the European population. Just as swastikas crop up here and get huge media attention, so do they crop up there with the same result, especially on a slow news day. . . .often adolescents responsible. And I've already addressed the confusion between Israeli policy and the international population of Jewish residents. It's an absurd comparison, used by some - blatantly by Israel - to manipulate the ill-informed. But education is on-going and will ultimately address the misplaced ill-will.Does anyone here know what universe this guy is living in? Since he has already solved the "confusion" about Israel and the "international population of Jewish residents" I rest assured justice will be served. Israel, the evil, manipulating State of Israel, which managed to save some of the remnant of Holocaust survivors, the same Holocaust which the jerk in Iran is trying to deny, is manipulating the entire world Jewish population.
And the overwhelming majority of Muslims have no reason to pursue a hostile agenda toward the west. With the IS/Pal conflict resolved, I dare say radical Islam will find itself completely isolated and dealt with - probably by Islam itself - accordingly.
Is anyone reminded of a drunk Mel Gibson here?
Oh and suddenly, since there is no reason for Muslims to pursue a hostile agenda to the West, because Israel won't be around and the Jews will be floating in the sea - in the name of Justice - radical Islam will disappear.
This is truly a nut job here folks.
But here is a great quote from our "balanced, intelligent, love mankind" individual.
Lastly, I want to say that my arguments here are deliberately ignored by a few. If I ask for a demonstration or a fair analysis of a point that I have made, that point is often ignored or ridiculed but rarely acknowledged or even fairly rejected which I don't appreciate.Someone please run out and buy this guy a pacifier. Please!
Nut job or not, the fact that this guy posts in a forum with seemingly intelligent people, and they read his words, scares the bejesus out of me. There is such a lack of reality, such an ignorance of what is happening, such an undertone of hate and prejudice against Jews and Israel that it is scary. I would rather read "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion". Actually, his views really truly do belong in that work.
So yes. I pick on one thread in one forum, where a very small minority of people (even a small minority for this forum as well) gather to discuss amongst themselves the ways to justice. 3-6 people who clap each other on the back, use Wikipedia for knowledge, and understand all there is to know about Israel, Jews, the Holocaust, the Middle East, the Arab Jihad mentality and Palestine becoming Alexandria!
Yes I do pick this one thread in this normally very good forum. The thread and others like it offer a window to the sick minds that breed and spout hatred in "intellectual" terms. It is but a small inconsequential group of people, and yet they do exist. They do spout their hatred.
It is also enough to scare the hell out of me to see such things bandied about by such people. Remember Hitler had the German people behind him. And lots of them knew how to salute with great fervor.
Hatred and prejudice is sick. Even that which is expressed in "calm, rational and intellectual terminology".
And cockroaches are always hiding in the pipes.